Can a "D" registered sailplane get insurance from American company in
USA?
German Insurance will insure a sailplane in every country.....except
in USA.
GA

On Jan 16, 11:03*am, glider > wrote:
> *Can a "D" registered sailplane get insurance from American company in
> USA?
> *German Insurance will insure a sailplane in every country.....except
> in USA.
> *GA

Check with the German pilots flying their German "D" registered
gliders with the White Sands Soaring Association in Alamogordo, NM.
They must have solved the problem.

On Jan 16, 4:12*pm, bildan > wrote:
> On Jan 16, 11:03*am, glider > wrote:
>
> > *Can a "D" registered sailplane get insurance from American company in
> > USA?
> > *German Insurance will insure a sailplane in every country.....except
> > in USA.
> > *GA
>
> Check with the German pilots flying their German "D" registered
> gliders with the White Sands Soaring Association in Alamogordo, NM.
> They must have solved the problem.

Hi glider,
the short answer is: No!
If your glider is registered in Germany, no US insurance company will
write you a policy. I had buy a policy in Germany for my D-registered
Libelle. Some carriers offer policies for this situation. It may be
much less expensive to register the glider in the US - if your
immigration status allows you to do that; you have to be a permanent
resident alien - and then re-register it in Germany, if/when you
return.
Uli

GM wrote:
> /snip/ It may be
> much less expensive to register the glider in the US - if your
> immigration status allows you to do that; you have to be a permanent
> resident alien ....
> Uli

Actually, you have to be a US citizen or a US entity such as a
corporation to register an aircraft with the FAA.

Brian W

On Jan 17, 9:21*am, brian whatcott > wrote:

> Actually, you have to be a US citizen or a US entity such as a
> corporation to register an aircraft with the FAA.
>
> Brian W

Sorry, you are wrong! A resident alien can register an aircraft in
USA. Been there, done that (twice), and have the papers to prove it.

The only wrinkle is that a resident alien cannot be a joint registered
owner, only a sole registered owner.

Andy (just visiting)

On Jan 17, 11:21*am, brian whatcott > wrote:
> GM wrote:
> > /snip/ *It may be
> > much less expensive to register the glider in the US - if your
> > immigration status allows you to do that; you have to be a permanent
> > resident alien ....
> > Uli
>
> Actually, you have to be a US citizen or a US entity such as a
> corporation to register an aircraft with the FAA.
>
> Brian W

Brian - nope! Please do your homework. The application for
registration asks for the I-151 number, which is the so-called 'Green-
Card' (which is actually not green).
GM

On Jan 16, 10:03*am, glider > wrote:
> *Can a "D" registered sailplane get insurance from American company in
> USA?
> *German Insurance will insure a sailplane in every country.....except
> in USA.
> *GA

I currently operate two D-registered gliders in California with a
German insurance. You are right, normally foreign insurance companies
do not want to get into the business of insuring gliders over here due
to the high liability risks. However, I found liability coverage for
both gliders (with higher premiums and lower coverage of course :-) )
through the Zurich insurance in Germany. I can send you some further
details if you are interested.

GM wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:21 am, brian whatcott > wrote:
>> GM wrote:
>>> /snip/ It may be
>>> much less expensive to register the glider in the US - if your
>>> immigration status allows you to do that; you have to be a permanent
>>> resident alien ....
>>> Uli
>> Actually, you have to be a US citizen or a US entity such as a
>> corporation to register an aircraft with the FAA.
>>
>> Brian W
>
> Brian - nope! Please do your homework. The application for
> registration asks for the I-151 number, which is the so-called 'Green-
> Card' (which is actually not green).
> GM

Hehe....when *I* tried to register an airplane as a resident alien, I
soon found that (for powered aircraft at least) it was necessary to be a
US citizen or US entity. It was not onerous to set up a US corporation
for the purpose at the time.

It is entirely possible that FAA registration rules have relaxed in the
intervening 25 years, but it is also possible that someone else needs to
do a little more homework?? :-)

Brian W

On Jan 18, 7:56*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:
> GM wrote:
> > On Jan 17, 11:21 am, brian whatcott > wrote:
> >> GM wrote:
> >>> /snip/ *It may be
> >>> much less expensive to register the glider in the US - if your
> >>> immigration status allows you to do that; you have to be a permanent
> >>> resident alien ....
> >>> Uli
> >> Actually, you have to be a US citizen or a US entity such as a
> >> corporation to register an aircraft with the FAA.
>
> >> Brian W
>
> > Brian - nope! Please do your homework. The application for
> > registration asks for the I-151 number, which is the so-called 'Green-
> > Card' (which is actually not green).
> > GM
>
> Hehe....when *I* tried to register an airplane as a resident alien, I
> soon found that (for powered aircraft at least) it was necessary to be a
> US citizen or US entity. It was not onerous to set up a US corporation
> for the purpose at the time.
>
> It is entirely possible that FAA registration rules have relaxed in the
> intervening 25 years, but it is also possible that someone else needs to
> do a little more homework?? * *:-)
>
> Brian W

I am going to jump in here since I am a resident alien and this is a
question that concerns me...

I did the homework for us: After a quick search I found that as a
resident alien I can own an airplane:

49 USC Sec. 44102
01/08/2008

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VII - AVIATION PROGRAMS
PART A - AIR COMMERCE AND SAFETY
subpart iii - safety
CHAPTER 441 - REGISTRATION AND RECORDATION OF AIRCRAFT

-HEAD-
Sec. 44102. Registration requirements

-STATUTE-
(a) Eligibility. - An aircraft may be registered under section
44103 of this title only when the aircraft is -
(1) not registered under the laws of a foreign country and is
owned by -
(A) a citizen of the United States;
(B) an individual citizen of a foreign country lawfully
admitted for permanent residence in the United States; or
(C) a corporation not a citizen of the United States when
the
corporation is organized and doing business under the laws of
the United States or a State, and the aircraft is based and
primarily used in the United States; or ...


(From http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C441.txt )

It can actually get more complicated to register an airplane as a
corporation or partnership ... best to follow the link to read up on
that (way too much to cut and paste).

I hope this clarifies things ...

James Salazar wrote:
>
>> Hehe....when *I* tried to register an airplane as a resident alien, I
>> soon found that (for powered aircraft at least) it was necessary to be a
>> US citizen or US entity. It was not onerous to set up a US corporation
>> for the purpose at the time.
>>
>> It is entirely possible that FAA registration rules have relaxed in the
>> intervening 25 years, but it is also possible that someone else needs to
>> do a little more homework?? :-)
>>
>> Brian W
>
> I am going to jump in here since I am a resident alien and this is a
> question that concerns me...
>
> I did the homework for us: After a quick search I found that as a
> resident alien I can own an airplane:
>
> 49 USC Sec. 44102
> 01/08/2008
>
> -EXPCITE-
> TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION
> SUBTITLE VII - AVIATION PROGRAMS
> PART A - AIR COMMERCE AND SAFETY
> subpart iii - safety
> CHAPTER 441 - REGISTRATION AND RECORDATION OF AIRCRAFT
>
> -HEAD-
> Sec. 44102. Registration requirements
>
> -STATUTE-
> (a) Eligibility. - An aircraft may be registered under section
> 44103 of this title only when the aircraft is -
> (1) not registered under the laws of a foreign country and is
> owned by -
> (A) a citizen of the United States;
> (B) an individual citizen of a foreign country lawfully
> admitted for permanent residence in the United States; or
> (C) a corporation not a citizen of the United States when
> the
> corporation is organized and doing business under the laws of
> the United States or a State, and the aircraft is based and
> primarily used in the United States; or ...
>
>
> (From http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C441.txt )
>
> It can actually get more complicated to register an airplane as a
> corporation or partnership ... best to follow the link to read up on
> that (way too much to cut and paste).
>
> I hope this clarifies things ...


Thanks for clarifying this issue. I wonder what it was that stopped me
in the 80's.

I suppose it is possible that I was not a "permanent resident" alien at
that time, but rather simply working on an H-1 work visa: or the Feds
may have opened this third avenue in the interim.

*My* current issue is getting a CAA validation for an FAA issued on the
strength of a CAA PPL

Brian W
p.s. Recordation?? :-)

On Jan 19, 12:27*am, brian whatcott > wrote:
> James Salazar wrote:
>
> >> Hehe....when *I* tried to register an airplane as a resident alien, I
> >> soon found that (for powered aircraft at least) it was necessary to be a
> >> US citizen or US entity. It was not onerous to set up a US corporation
> >> for the purpose at the time.
>
> >> It is entirely possible that FAA registration rules have relaxed in the
> >> intervening 25 years, but it is also possible that someone else needs to
> >> do a little more homework?? * *:-)
>
> >> Brian W
>
> > I am going to jump in here since I am a resident alien and this is a
> > question that concerns me...
>
> > I did the homework for us: After a quick search I found that as a
> > resident alien I can own an airplane:
>
> > * *49 USC Sec. 44102
> > 01/08/2008
>
> > -EXPCITE-
> > * * TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION
> > * * SUBTITLE VII - AVIATION PROGRAMS
> > * * PART A - AIR COMMERCE AND SAFETY
> > * * subpart iii - safety
> > * * CHAPTER 441 - REGISTRATION AND RECORDATION OF AIRCRAFT
>
> > -HEAD-
> > * * Sec. 44102. Registration requirements
>
> > -STATUTE-
> > * * * (a) Eligibility. - An aircraft may be registered under section
> > * * 44103 of this title only when the aircraft is -
> > * * * * (1) not registered under the laws of a foreign country and is
> > * * * owned by -
> > * * * * * (A) a citizen of the United States;
> > * * * * * (B) an individual citizen of a foreign country lawfully
> > * * * * admitted for permanent residence in the United States; or
> > * * * * * (C) a corporation not a citizen of the United States when
> > the
> > * * * * corporation is organized and doing business under the laws of
> > * * * * the United States or a State, and the aircraft is based and
> > * * * * primarily used in the United States; or *...
>
> > (Fromhttp://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C441.txt)
>
> > It can actually get more complicated to register an airplane as a
> > corporation or partnership ... best to follow the link to read up on
> > that (way too much to cut and paste).
>
> > I hope this clarifies things ...
>
> Thanks for clarifying this issue. I wonder what it was that stopped me
> in the 80's.
>
> I suppose it is possible that I was not a "permanent resident" alien at
> that time, but rather simply working on an H-1 work visa: or the Feds
> may have opened this third avenue in the interim.
>
> *My* current issue is getting a CAA validation for an FAA issued on the
> strength of a CAA PPL
>
> Brian W
> p.s. Recordation?? * :-)

Brian,

I think it is more likely that you were trying to register while you
held a work visa than the Fed loosing things up for Permanent Resident
Aliens.

-James
P.S. "Recordation" ... more legal-speak: "the act or process of
recording"

On Jan 19, 5:05*am, James Salazar > wrote:

> I think it is more likely that you were trying to register while you
> held a work visa than the Fed loosing things up for Permanent Resident
> Aliens.

Concur. I purchased and registered my ASW 19b as a resident alien in
1987, so nothing changed in the last 23 or so years.

Andy

James Salazar wrote:
>
>>>> Hehe....when *I* tried to register an airplane as a resident alien, I
>>>> soon found that (for powered aircraft at least) it was necessary to be a
>>>> US citizen or US entity. It was not onerous to set up a US corporation
>>>> for the purpose at the time.
/snip/

>> Thanks for clarifying this issue. I wonder what it was that stopped me
>> in the 80's.
>>
>> I suppose it is possible that I was not a "permanent resident" alien at
>> that time, but rather simply working on an H-1 work visa:....
>> Brian W
>> p.s. Recordation?? :-)
>
> Brian,
>
> I think it is more likely that you were trying to register while you
> held a work visa than the Fed loosing things up for Permanent Resident
> Aliens.
>
> -James
> P.S. "Recordation" ... more legal-speak: "the act or process of
> recording"

I think you could well be right - Green Card and Aircraft
purchase were not far apart, I seem to recall....but my memory is not
specially good at playbackation :-)

Brian w

Brian W

Andy wrote:
> On Jan 19, 5:05 am, James Salazar > wrote:
>
>> I think it is more likely that you were trying to register while you
>> held a work visa than the Fed loosing things up for Permanent Resident
>> Aliens.
>
> Concur. I purchased and registered my ASW 19b as a resident alien in
> 1987, so nothing changed in the last 23 or so years.
>
> Andy

I'm sure you mean 'permanent resident alien'. Yes?

Brian W

On Jan 19, 6:13*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:

> I'm sure you mean 'permanent resident alien'. Yes?

To be pedantic the proper description of my status, according to U.S.
Department of Justice Immigration and Naturalization Service, is
"Permanent Resident". No mention of "Alien" anywhere on the status
adjustment notice or the Permanent Resident Card although the "A#" is
assumed to be a contraction of "alien number".

Anyway that's more detail than most would care about. The bottom line
is that if you have a green card and buy a glider you can register it
in USA.

Andy

On Jan 19, 7:19*pm, Andy > wrote:
> On Jan 19, 6:13*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:
>
> > I'm sure you mean 'permanent resident alien'. Yes?
>
> To be pedantic the proper description of my status, according to U.S.
> Department of Justice Immigration and Naturalization Service, is
> "Permanent Resident". *No mention of "Alien" anywhere on the status
> adjustment notice or the Permanent Resident Card although the "A#" is
> assumed to be a contraction of "alien number".
>
> Anyway that's more detail than most would care about. *The bottom line
> is that if you have a green card and buy a glider you can register it
> in USA.
>
> Andy

I bought and registered two gliders when I was a permanent resident of
the USA, but don't think I had to notify them or change anything when
I became a citizen.

Mike